Subject: Andrew Harter of the jref sent me. Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org My name is russell shipp.I have accepted the james randi challenge and i gladly accept yours (North Texas Skeptic)as well. My paranormal ability ive chosen to demonstrait is low level telekinesis. An object at rest tends to stay at rest unless outside forces influnece said object.I shall use my will to spin an object 5 grams(negotionable) in weight. From a dead stop i shall put an object into motion with my mind I require line of sight to move(spin) an object and glass isnt an issue. The object(s) should be suspended by string about 6 to 12 inchs in length.The room should have zero air current , at least one video camera focused on the object(s) at all time during the demonstration. Normaly i practice on various small toys of mine while lying down.ive been doing this since i was 15. I'm egar to prove myself and ill drive to carlton the moment you give me your ok. Objects at rest stay in rest unless outside forces influence them.My mind seems to be a strong force.When ever your ready i can be thier in hours. Gratefully yours, russell shipp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: Re: Andrew Harter of the jref sent me. Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:02:50 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Wonderful. We are very interested in testing you. When can you come down? Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > My name is russell shipp.I have accepted the james randi challenge and > i gladly accept yours (North Texas Skeptic)as well. > > My paranormal ability ive chosen to demonstrait is low level > telekinesis. > > An object at rest tends to stay at rest unless outside forces > influnece said object.I shall use my will to spin an object 5 > grams(negotionable) in weight. > > From a dead stop i shall put an object into motion with my mind > > I require line of sight to move(spin) an object and glass isnt an > issue. > > The object(s) should be suspended by string about 6 to 12 inchs in > length.The room should have zero air current , at least one video > camera focused on the object(s) at all time during the demonstration. > > Normaly i practice on various small toys of mine while lying down.ive > been doing this since i was 15. I'm egar to prove myself and ill drive > to carlton the moment you give me your ok. > > Objects at rest stay in rest unless outside forces influence them.My > mind seems to be a strong force.When ever your ready i can be thier in > hours. > > Gratefully yours, > > russell > shipp > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Andrew Harter of the jref sent me. Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:41:44 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton I would like to come down tommoro feb 19. If you could give me a street address and some direrctions to thier from farm road 219 (i think).i could be thier around 1:00pm? Is this good or should i reschedule? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: North Texas Challenge Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:02:05 -0600 From: John Blanton To: rustyrale@yahoo.com Russell, I received your phone message today, and I thank you for following up on my e-mail from this morning. Although the phone is a perfectly acceptable way to contact us, I will use e-mail and postal mail for correspondence concerning the NTS Challenge. My intent is to maintain a written record of communications, and, besides, we post the correspondence on our Web site. Please feel free to drop by to visit with us at any of our public meetings. I will try to have as many of the Challenge underwriters (there are five) present as possible if you give me enough notice in advance. Our next meeting is Saturday at 7:30 p.m. Following that there is a meeting on 8 March at 2 p.m. Both meetings are in Dallas, Texas. I will provide details if you are interested in meeting with us. To save time (and possibly any extra trips to Dallas) please give me details of how you plan to demonstrate your paranormal abilities. If your test plan is not acceptable to us we will propose a plan of our own. In any event, we will set up the test so you will win the prize if you can demonstrate your claimed paranormal powers, and you will not win if you cannot. You can't get much more fair than that. As always, the prize will be paid only on successful completion of the Challenge protocol as described on our Web site. We will ask for a preliminary demonstration for which you will not be paid a prize, no matter what the outcome of the demonstration. We will view the demonstration to determine if, in fact, some paranormal ability is being demonstrated and also to determine whether you can perform successfully. This tends to save everybody time and trouble in case you can't perform successfully. The e-mail address in the header of this message is a work address. Please continue to respond to me at skeptic@ntskeptics.org. You may copy to the work address if you want to, just give me a chance to read and respond in the middle of the day. Best regards, John Blanton The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: protocol one Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org 1. I shall take a micro machine klingon bird of prey(object one) from rest and put it into motion by spinning it then, I shall move on to my next micro mahine toy enterprise(object two) and spin it then, i shall move a cd(object three) by spinning it, and finnaly I'll "atempt" to move a small light weight object(number 4) of the challengers choice. 2. All objects will be suspended by knot or tack from a roof or suffecently tall structure by sewing string.The challengers may choose what ever string they like to hold thier object. 3.All objects will be at a full stop before I begin. 4.Time frame 20 minutes or less.Idealy it should only be moments before i begin spinning the objects. 5. When I am attempting to move the objects I shall stand 10 feet away and wear a mask to ensure my breath doesnt affect the objects. 6.All moving of objects will be done with my mind. My nerves are exicted as I mean to be at your meeting Saturday 7:30.This test seems keen.I would like to know what object yall are going to choose.Also as of now im use to demonstraiteing in front of small crowds.Three to five at a time.Im not sure if thats signifagant or not but if possable I would like to demonstrait for a small as nessesary group.One more thing,I warn you now it takes AWHILE for these objects to come to a compleat stop some times 45 minutes sometimes longer.Other then that,i hope to see you saterday.I remembered one more thing I should ask. If you would could supply me with an imediate copy of the recorded demonstration.Ill supply what ever type you need.Thanks for your time. Sincerly,Rusty(Russell Shipp) [Image]The above mentioned is the claiment[Image]. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: The NTS Challenge Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:30:58 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello, Russel. Wednesday, 19 February, would not be a good time. All of us (Challenge underwriters) work our day jobs Monday through Friday. Let us plan to meet with you on Saturday. We are having a meeting that evening which most of the Board members will attend. Here are the specifics. Black-eyed Pea restaurant On Forest Lane west of Central Expressway in Dallas, Texas On the south side of Forest Lane and just west of Central Expressway I do not know anything about Farm Road 219. However, Central Expressway is US Highway 75 in North Dallas. Forest Lane is about one mile south of IH-635 (Forest Lane runs east and West, IH-635 runs roughly east and west in that region, also). We will meet starting at 7:30 p.m. Please let us know if you are coming (or not). We will reserve a place at the table for you if we know you are coming. Be prepared to eat. The restaurant will probably expect you to purchase a meal. The phone number you called today is my cell phone, so you can call that number if you need help navigating the last few miles. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > I would like to come down tommoro feb 19. If you could give me a > street address and some direrctions to thier from farm road 219 (i > think).i could be thier around 1:00pm? Is this good or should i > reschedule? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: protocol one Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:38:10 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello again, Russell. Your protocol seems fairly straight forward. We assume these objects don't have any motors or other power sources. We also assume you will be isolated enough from the objects so you cannot influence them physically. We also need to know what is meant by "putting an object into motion." If the motion is so slow that we have to wait several hours to detect any movement, then we might want to change the protocol. Anyhow, we can work things out. This will be done in collaboration with the other underwriters. If you come to the Board meeting on Saturday we can discuss this further. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > 1. I shall take a micro machine klingon bird of prey(object one) from > rest and put it into motion by spinning it then, I shall move on to my > next micro mahine toy enterprise(object two) and spin it then, i shall > move a cd(object three) by spinning it, and finnaly I'll "atempt" to > move a small light weight object(number 4) of the challengers choice. > > 2. All objects will be suspended by knot or tack from a roof or > suffecently tall structure by sewing string.The challengers may choose > what ever string they like to hold thier object. > > 3.All objects will be at a full stop before I begin. > > 4.Time frame 20 minutes or less.Idealy it should only be moments > before i begin spinning the objects. > > 5. When I am attempting to move the objects I shall stand 10 feet away > and wear a mask to ensure my breath doesnt affect the objects. > > 6.All moving of objects will be done with my mind. > > My nerves are exicted as I mean to be at your meeting Saturday > 7:30.This test seems keen.I would like to know what object yall are > going to choose.Also as of now im use to demonstraiteing in front of > small crowds.Three to five at a time.Im not sure if thats signifagant > or not but if possable I would like to demonstrait for a small as > nessesary group.One more thing,I warn you now it takes AWHILE for > these objects to come to a compleat stop some times 45 minutes > sometimes longer.Other then that,i hope to see you saterday.I > remembered one more thing I should ask. If you would could supply me > with an imediate copy of the recorded demonstration.Ill supply what > ever type you need.Thanks for your time. > > Sincerly,Rusty(Russell > Shipp) > > [Image]The above mentioned is the claiment[Image]. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: protocol details Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org 4.Time frame 20 minutes or less.Idealy it should only be moments > before i begin spinning the objects. What number 4 means is i will take a time limit of 20 minutes from the moment i declare im makeing the attempt to visably move an object by spinning/rotateing it (on its axis i think) normaly i like to be lying down but i think dignity and civility requires me to stand up... like i warned the hardest part is waiting for the string to compleatly unwind. also ill be standing ten feet away and wear one of those masks that surgens wear that cover thier nose and mouth. all the objects are made of plastic. im not sure the Black eyed pea is the best place to be wait an hour for string to come to a stand still and im not sure of yalls time constriants but i could always come eairly to set up the objects or we could stay at the black eyed pea later then yall might noramly stay but again i wouldnt sugest the black eyed pea because im not sure about the policy on turning thier air conditioner off. id like to be thier for your meeting only if i can demonstrait for the perliminary test OR if thiers more paper work and protocol the requires me to be thier in person.let me know ill be thier. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: place to test? Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org I just found your map at the nts web site perhaps the location of the provided on the map would be a good suitable place? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: NTS Challenge Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:45:05 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, The first time around you are only going to talk to us and let us know what you can do. If you would rather do this by e-mail that will save you a trip to Dallas. We would likely do a test at the Center for Community Cooperation at 2900 Live Oak Street in Dallas. That would be on one of our regular meeting dates. Check the Web site for a schedule. We are talking April or later. Else, we can arrange a separate get-together. We are still talking a weekend. Let me know your preference. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > 4.Time frame 20 minutes or less.Idealy it should only be moments > > before i begin spinning the objects. > > What number 4 means is i will take a time limit of 20 minutes from the > moment i declare im makeing the attempt to visably move an object by > spinning/rotateing it (on its axis i think) > > normaly i like to be lying down but i think dignity and civility > requires me to stand up... like i warned the hardest part is waiting > for the string to compleatly unwind. > > also ill be standing ten feet away and wear one of those masks that > surgens wear that cover thier nose and mouth. all the objects are made > of plastic. > > im not sure the Black eyed pea is the best place to be wait an hour > for string to come to a stand still and im not sure of yalls time > constriants but i could always come eairly to set up the objects or we > could stay at the black eyed pea later then yall might noramly stay > but again i wouldnt sugest the black eyed pea because im not sure > about the policy on turning thier air conditioner off. > > id like to be thier for your meeting only if i can demonstrait for the > perliminary test OR if thiers more paper work and protocol the > requires me to be thier in person.let me know ill be thier. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: rusty Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 06:50:23 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org I would like to meet with yall but i cant spend money on a road trip unless im sure ill be moveing along this prosess.In the mean time id be happy to disscuss any aspect of my claim that any of the challengers may have a question about however my claim is really best when visably observed. If its at all possably to expedite the prossess by arangeing a private meeting for demonstraition,i could still be in dallas in about five hours.I would REALLY rather get this test started before april but if that simply aint an option april(or later[ugh]) would be perfectly fine. untill next time, your truly, rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: Questions about Challenge test Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:05:30 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Prior to arranging a demonstration of your paranormal abilities, I need to gather some information to allow us to assist you. Please provide answers to the following questions: 1. In your description of the test protocol you mention hanging several objects on threads. Can you do a satisfactory test with just one object? 2. Do you need the objects you mentioned in your previous e-mail, or can we provide our own objects? 3. You mention using a surgical mask (to prevent blowing air on the objects). Can you perform without the surgical mask? 4. Can you use a surgical mask that we supply? 5. Is it OK to forgo the surgical mask and just place a barrier between you and the objects? 6. If a barrier is allowed, can it be glass or fiber board or even a standard interior building wall? 7. Are there any problems with having certain people present? 8. Is there a problem if too many people are present? 9. Does your ability depend on time of day, day of the week, day of the month, or month of the year? 10. Is geographical location a problem? Is it possible your abilities work in, say, Austin, but don't work in Dallas? 11. Do you require any electronic controls or any form of optical or radio communication to produce the desired effect? 12. Do you require any kind of power supply (e.g., batteries, motors, etc.) to make the object(s) spin? 13. Do you require any kind of air movement to make the objects spin? 14. If you do not require any kind of air movement, is it OK if we install baffles to prevent air movement? 15. Do you require the cooperation of an assistant to produce the required effect? These are just a few of the questions that come to mind immediately. Your answers will help us to prepare what you need to perform the test. If you can just supply a short (yes/no) answer to each that will be sufficient for now. Keep in mind, though, that certain answers will preclude our accepting the test. For example, we would not consider it a paranormal ability if you required some sort of radio control to make the object(s) spin. Also, if you insist on having multiple objects of your own choosing we will be tempted to ask what is so special about those objects. I hope you don't mind if we first see a demonstration using your objects, so we can see how well your abilities work with them. Can you provide us with a demonstration in advance of any formal test? Hoping to hear from you again soon. Best regards, John Blanton The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: answers Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org Here are the ansewers you asked for. 1.yes i can move one object if thats your preferance i choose 4 to demonstraite my talent as being reproduceable. 2.you can most certianly provide your own thing to move but please be sure its something simialar if possable. If its not possable then please tell me what you have in mind for me to spin? 3,4,5,and6.i can preform without the mask you can provide one of your own or put up that barrier so long as its TRANSPARENT as i do require line of sight to mentaly move objects. now on to 7. i have no problem with anyone being thier 8.i would like to keep it confined to a "smaller" crowd like 10 or less 9.i can preform on comand 10.ive not notice any signifigant geographical differences..(amuseing question) 11.no strict mind power as stated 12.no 13.heck no ...ive been very cautious over the last 8 years to make sure air current wasnt involved in regards to my talent 14.i dont know what baffels are but if you could make sure that zero air current was in the room, that would be ideal 15.no just got to the bottom of your letter next time ill be sure to finsh reading it first. and finaly yes i can provide you with as many demonstraitions as you need. Would it be ok to record any demonstraition i give yall? sincerly,Rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Subject: The North Texas Skeptics Challenge (answers to questions) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:58:07 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Again, thanks for responding. I have been away from my computer recently, so I was not able to write to you earlier. There is no need for you to make an extra trip to Dallas. I will meet with the other underwriters later this month or in March and we will work out the details of a test. Thanks for your patience. Regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > Here are the ansewers you asked for. > > 1.yes i can move one object if thats your preferance i choose 4 to > demonstraite my talent as being reproduceable. > > 2.you can most certianly provide your own thing to move but please be > sure its something simialar if possable. If its not possable then > please tell me what you have in mind for me to spin? > > 3,4,5,and6.i can preform without the mask you can provide one of your > own or put up that barrier so long as its TRANSPARENT as i do require > line of sight to mentaly move objects. > > now on to > > 7. i have no problem with anyone being thier > > 8.i would like to keep it confined to a "smaller" crowd like 10 or > less > > 9.i can preform on comand > > 10.ive not notice any signifigant geographical differences..(amuseing > question) > > 11.no strict mind power as stated > > 12.no > > 13.heck no ...ive been very cautious over the last 8 years to make > sure air current wasnt involved in regards to my talent > > 14.i dont know what baffels are but if you could make sure that zero > air current was in the room, that would be ideal > > 15.no > > just got to the bottom of your letter next time ill be sure to finsh > reading it first. > > and finaly yes i can provide you with as many demonstraitions as you > need. > > Would it be ok to record any demonstraition i give yall? > > sincerly,Rusty > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: havent heard from yall in awhile Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:00:59 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org I was wondering if yall have established a testing date and agreed on the protocols yet?...How about this weather,we got snow here.Well until next time. russell shipp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Subject: april eh? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:07:14 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org Yes I am twenty three and of sound mind and body. I can enter into any contract I choose.Do you know if any JREF represenitives will be present?April eh?At least April is sooner then May. until next time, rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Subject: The NTS Challenge Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:57:52 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello, Russell. Thanks for the update. I am sorry I forgot to ask before, but I should have. You see, we have previously been offered a challenge by a child, and of course it would not be proper or legal to enter into a legal contract with a minor. As far as I know, nobody from JREF will be present. As you can see from our Web page on the Challenge, there are just five underwriters, and we are the only ones involved in the challenge activity. In that respect, the NTS Challenge is apart from the NTS organization. No NTS money is pledged. The pledge is made by the underwriters only. Thanks for your patience, and we will keep you posted. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > Yes I am twenty three and of sound mind and body. I can enter into any > contract I choose.Do you know if any JREF represenitives will be > present?April eh?At least April is sooner then May. > > until next time, > > rusty > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: i bet i win the prize before Robert DeBore Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton you know im couris why does it say on your web site youve had no further correspondence with me when weve had plenty of correspondance. It kinda makes me look bad dont ya think? Anyways my home computer has been hacked and im currently useing the librarys computer. If yall have a date in april set yet give me a call it would probably be best for now as ill be checking all my email at the library for the near future.Until next time . russell shipp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Subject: never mind Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:44 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org Ive goten my modem working again for now so its ok to email me again.In the future though if i dont respond to an email in 48 hours feel free to give me a ring until next time. russell shipp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:50:07 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton I was wondering have you and the other underwriter agreeded upon a protocal(contract)yet? Subject: aloha Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton you know ive decided im probably gonna have to wait until april 12 to get tested right?I would like to meet and demonstrait my talent anytime is good me i assume this weekend 22 or 29 will be fine for you.ill only need about an hour of your time.its my hope that after you see me demonstrait that youll be inclined to call the other underwriters to view my trick. to be honest i dont like breaking my back but i need money ive gotten a landscaping job to make ends meet but honestly with this carrot floating over my head ive been conssumed demonstraiting for others ,reading backround info on challenges like these ... so far it seems like im the most likely canidate to meet the skeptical scientific requirements because of my on command results. so let me know even if thier aint a chance in hell of other underwriters being thier so long as i get my shot at yalls challenge id like to start moveing this along by meeting as many of yall as i can and showing yall that i can. ive got the gas and the time when you ready to meet ive got the string and the object too. it will take roughly an hour for it to come to a compleat stop and you can judge when that stop has occured. impatently yours, rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton its been awhile since you last contacted me...im still online and would still like to meet and discuss the details of our contract.its been a week since i last asked what would be a good time to meet you and as many other of the challengers as possable.And why does your web site still say youve had no recent correspondance with me?you know we have had many correspondances past the letter on your page..yall do want to be known for finding scientific proof of psi ablity in a human right. please respond quickly as you can.until next time rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:36:15 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, I was out of town on vacation for a week, and since I got back I have been involved in some critical issues at work. In the mean time I have received some comments from the other underwriters. I would like for you to come to Dallas to give us a demonstration. I recommend we meet on Saturday, 12 April. We have a regular meeting scheduled at 2 p.m. on that day. Although an unrelated program is planned we should be able to use that time to discuss your demonstration with and perhaps see what you can do. Please let me know if that meets your approval. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > its been awhile since you last contacted me...im still online and > would still like to meet and discuss the details of our contract.its > been a week since i last asked what would be a good time to meet you > and as many other of the challengers as possable.And why does your web > site still say youve had no recent correspondance with me?you know we > have had many correspondances past the letter on your page..yall do > want to be known for finding scientific proof of psi ablity in a human > right. > > please respond quickly as you can.until next time > > rusty > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton I hope you had a swell vacation.So long as i get to show yall for the for the perliminary on the 12 then it very much meets to my approval.I hope things are better at work for ya.unitl later rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:30:05 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, We look forward to seeing you on 12 April. Please let me know if you need further instructions on getting to the meeting place. The address is: 2900 Live Oak Street Dallas, Texas (corner of Live Oak Street and Liberty Street) The building is labeled "Center for Nonprofit Management." Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > I hope you had a swell vacation.So long as i get to show yall for the > for the perliminary on the 12 then it very much meets to my approval.I > hope things are better at work for ya.unitl later > > rusty > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton I was wondering a moment when i preform for the priliminary will it count for both NTS and the JREF or will it only count for one or the other?Because it was andrew harter that sent me to yall for thier prliminary test.Either way im happy winning anyones money. thanks for the clarification rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:45:06 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Your demonstration in April will not count for anything. It will be a "freebie." We just want to see what you claim to be able to do to decide whether it is paranormal or not. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > I was wondering a moment when i preform for the priliminary will it > count for both NTS and the JREF or will it only count for one or the > other?Because it was andrew harter that sent me to yall for thier > prliminary test.Either way im happy winning anyones money. > > thanks for the clarification > > rusty > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:13:25 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton would you put that freebee bit up on your web site and see what people have to say then....i trust yall to be of sherlok holms logic.Hmmmmm freebee that raises my concerns but ive read the contract and as i understand it this first time is free the second time assumeing yall judge me paranormal counts right?or is thier a third time? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Subject: Re: The NTS Challenge Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:06:22 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Yes. All the correspondence concerning the NTS Challenge will be posted on the Web site. I have not posted all of your correspondence and our responses, but that will be taken care of soon. After we see your demonstration we will determine if there is anything paranormal going on, and we will work out a test that is agreeable to everybody if it is determined there is something to test. We look forward to seeing you on 12 April. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > would you put that freebee bit up on your web site and see what people > have to say then....i trust yall to be of sherlok holms logic.Hmmmmm > freebee that raises my concerns but ive read the contract and as i > understand it this first time is free the second time assumeing yall > judge me paranormal counts right?or is thier a third time? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Subject: personal freebee Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton hello john, If its not an inconvenionce for you,i would like five minutes of your time(please) id like to meet you in dallas(or where ever is convenient for you) over a cup of coffee..yesterday i realized the inside of a car would be perfect to demonstrait in and i know that your skeptical about me but i could put your doubt to rest and then maybe you could invite someone from the jref to be thier at the first demonstration on the 12. After all im grateful to be able to win yalls prize but it was anderew harter of the jref the referred me to yall for thier priliminary test concerning the jref million dollar prize. so maybe we could talk about that too i guess ill leave a message on the nts hot line or e mail you my hotel address when im up thier. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Subject: NTS challenge Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:43:14 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello Russell, Yes, we can meet on 12 April. I will alert the other underwriters that you are interested in conversation over a cup of coffee. Unfortunately I do not know anybody with the James Randi Educational Foundation, so I can't be much help there. I look forward to seeing you Saturday next week. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > hello john, > > If its not an inconvenionce for you,i would like five minutes of > your time(please) id like to meet you in dallas(or where ever is > convenient for you) over a cup of coffee..yesterday i realized the > inside of a car would be perfect to demonstrait in and i know that > your skeptical about me but i could put your doubt to rest and then > maybe you could invite someone from the jref to be thier at the first > demonstration on the 12. > > After all im grateful to be able to win yalls prize but it was anderew > harter of the jref the referred me to yall for thier priliminary test > concerning the jref million dollar prize. so maybe we could talk about > that too i guess ill leave a message on the nts hot line or e mail you > my hotel address when im up thier. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: NTS challenge Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:43:14 -0600 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello Russell, Yes, we can meet on 12 April. I will alert the other underwriters that you are interested in conversation over a cup of coffee. Unfortunately I do not know anybody with the James Randi Educational Foundation, so I can't be much help there. I look forward to seeing you Saturday next week. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > hello john, > > If its not an inconvenionce for you,i would like five minutes of > your time(please) id like to meet you in dallas(or where ever is > convenient for you) over a cup of coffee..yesterday i realized the > inside of a car would be perfect to demonstrait in and i know that > your skeptical about me but i could put your doubt to rest and then > maybe you could invite someone from the jref to be thier at the first > demonstration on the 12. > > After all im grateful to be able to win yalls prize but it was anderew > harter of the jref the referred me to yall for thier priliminary test > concerning the jref million dollar prize. so maybe we could talk about > that too i guess ill leave a message on the nts hot line or e mail you > my hotel address when im up thier. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:37:57 -0800 (PST) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton april fools im lost in dallas.currently im at a truck sttop west of arlington but hopefuly by the time 6 a colock tommoro comes around ill be able to meet you some where ill call tommoro until then later john ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton see you tomoro around 2:00pm its ok if i arive 30 min early right? rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:31:56 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, OK to come early. We try to get started promptly at 2 p.m., and it takes a little time to get set up. John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > see you tomoro around 2:00pm its ok if i arive 30 min early > right?rusty > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton hello gents, i was wondering when yall were gonna contact me with a formal test and what sorta of test you had in mind.I still like the idea of useing the inside of a car and Prasad suggested useing a jar around an object and string the object into the jar so as to avoid air current.But then i got to thinking all im really trying to do is demonstrait pyschokenisis so next time after were done with the string id like to take yall outside (provideing its a paritly cloudy day)and rip up a few clouds for yall.we could use on one of those large view screen video cameras and i could put the cloud on screen and point to it then yall could watch as the cloud dissapates or i could take a small long cloud and bend it.please do not ask me to bend stuff like geller as far as i understand he got proved a fake... I heard somebody disapproved of me blowing over my shoulder i wanted to say when i concentrait intently like that sometimes i hold my breath i didnt want to breath tawards the object so i breathed over my shoulder.I also heard some of your members got wreided out.I was wonderring did they belive?Also i really wanted to know if Parsad saw anything intersting on the camera?and nect time can we just tack the object to the roof of something?and does distance matter so much or is it a must i stand ten feet from object? please respond swiftly im egare too take the next test as soon as i can. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:35:22 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello, Russell. Prasad is going to make a copy of the video tape and send it to you. He has held off so far because he has to finish his income tax return. So far, Prasad and I agree that we did not see any sign of success regarding telekinesis. However, we will examine the tape again before making our final decision. Please give us your opinion after you get a chance to review the tape we send you. We will arrange a formal test after we get to see a successful demonstration. If you feel you need more time or different circumstances we will work with you to arrange a different demonstration environment. Just let us know in advance so we will have some time to make the arrangements. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > hello gents,i was wondering when yall were gonna contact me with a > formal test and what sorta of test you had in mind.I still like the > idea of useing the inside of a car and Prasad suggested useing a jar > around an object and string the object into the jar so as to avoid air > current.But then i got to thinking all im really trying to do is > demonstrait pyschokenisis so next time after were done with the string > id like to take yall outside (provideing its a paritly cloudy day)and > rip up a few clouds for yall.we could use on one of those large view > screen video cameras and i could put the cloud on screen and point to > it then yall could watch as the cloud dissapates or i could take a > small long cloud and bend it.please do not ask me to bend stuff like > geller as far as i understand he got proved a fake... I heard somebody > disapproved of me blowing over my shoulder i wanted to say when i > concentrait intently like that sometimes i hold my breath i didnt want > to breath tawards the object so i breathed over my shoulder.I also > heard some of your members got wreided out.I was wonderring did they > belive?Also i really wanted to know if Parsad saw anything intersting > on the camera?and nect time can we just tack the object to the roof of > something?and does distance matter so much or is it a must i stand ten > feet from object? please respond swiftly im egare too take the next > test as soon as i can. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton Maybe you had a misunderstand due to too many movies like carrie or fire starter but i do belive i clearly stated low level telekinesis.for this reason i wanted the object to be at a FULL stop and i didnt think puting the object in a car wouldnt hurt either.Now as to further testing well if even only one member of you NTS belives they saw something "paranormal" then id say you have an obligation for further testing..I mean approach this logicly your own disbelife may cloud your jugdement so id suggest getting others opinion as well as doing things my way in regards to the idea of seting up multiable objects so as i could move them from a compleat stop into motion one after another.the demo wasnt scientific at all so to make conclusions from it isnt very scientific.and if you obseerve the 4 leaf clover you should notice it slows to a stop in one direction then speeds back into the same direction of motion! if you dont see that please tell me in your next response John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:22:32 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello, Russell. Yes, we are agreeable to further testing. We would like to give you every chance to demonstrate your claim. Our current action is to pass a copy of the video around so all five of the underwriters can view it and make a decision. Even if nobody sees evidence of telekinesis we are still agreeable to a follow-up demonstration under better conditions. I will let you know when I get feedback from the other underwriters. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > Maybe you had a misunderstand due to too many movies like carrie or > fire starter but i do belive i clearly stated low level > telekinesis.for this reason i wanted the object to be at a FULL stop > and i didnt think puting the object in a car wouldnt hurt either.Now > as to further testing well if even only one member of you NTS belives > they saw something "paranormal" then id say you have an obligation for > further testing..I mean approach this logicly your own disbelife may > cloud your jugdement so id suggest getting others opinion as well as > doing things my way in regards to the idea of seting up multiable > objects so as i could move them from a compleat stop into motion one > after another.the demo wasnt scientific at all so to make conclusions > from it isnt very scientific.and if you obseerve the 4 leaf clover you > should notice it slows to a stop in one direction then speeds back > into the same direction of motion! if you dont see that please tell me > in your next responseJohn Blanton wrote: > > Hello, Russell. > > Prasad is going to make a copy of the video tape and send it > to you. He > has held off so far because he has to finish his income tax > return. > > So far, Prasad and I agree that we did not see any sign of > success > regarding telekinesis. However, we will examine the tape > again before > making our final decision. Please give us your opinion after > you get a > chance to review the tape we send you. > > We will arrange a formal test after we get to see a > successful > demonstration. If you feel you need more time or different > circumstances we will work with you to arrange a different > demonstration > environment. Just let us know in advance so we will have > some time to > make the arrangements. > > Best regards, > > John Blanton > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton All right you said the first time was a freebe but the second test actully counted so.when ever your ready next time if your agreeable will use the inside of a car ill use mine if yall dont want anything taked up in yalls cars. Im also agreeable to parsads idea of puting a jar around the object.NOW if you see the object move from a stop into motion will that be enough to make you belive my ablity.surely you dont have a way to explane an object moveing into motion by its self.i dont really have any obligations on my time so im ready when you are but i would like to prove this sooner rather then later. By the way did you talk to any of your nts members(underwrites excluded) about the vaildity of the demostration? John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: NTS challenge Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:51:26 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton Ok its been awhile now i assume all the underwrites have gotton a chance to review the tape.Do you have a date in mind to scientificly test my claim.Remember logicly if the object(s) is at a Full stop it shouldnt take but moments to prove or disprove.Im ready when yall are! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Subject: Review of video of your demo Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:01:17 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Thanks for being patient with us. I was out of town for a few days over the weekend, but I am back now and have received a copy of the video from Prasad. I have not reviewed the video. However, Prasad and I have discussed what we observed at the demo and what is on the video. Our conclusion is that no telekinesis was exhibited in the demo. Specifically, although the suspended object (a computer CD) did turn on the end of the string, it did not make any movements that appeared to be under your direction. It did not move where you wanted it to move and when you wanted it to move. My own interpretation of what I saw is that the CD moved readily in the slightest air currents in the room. During a quite period before the meeting started the CD did not move at all. After people arrived and started moving around, the air currents we produced caused the CD to rotate. As promised, I am sending you a copy of the video tape by US mail. Review the video if you wish and let us know if you have a different interpretation. The copy of the video is yours to keep. We are always eager to work further with you, within limits. If you think there were circumstances during the demo that hampered the effect you were trying to produce, we are willing to correct these problems and host another demonstration. In any event, a successful demonstration is a requirement before we will conduct a formal test. Best regards, John Blanton The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton john, you are changeing your word back and forth.Originaly you said the first demo was a freebee!That cd was under my control and so was the four leaf clover!You said that an offical test would be taken after this freebee!I want a MORE scientific evaluation.Some thrid party witeness with no interest in me or your group would be nice but ill not dream to big.The point is i offered to use my car as a test ground you said quote"thats ok".Inside a car im sure you would agree thier is much less air movement then in a room where people bump into the test object.If you choose to review that tape you should notice the four leaf clover do exactly as i said stop and continue in the same direction.I wanted the object at a full stop.I can be in dallas anytime.I could wait at a coner store until the objects in my car were at a complet stop then give you a call and invite you to observe for yourself the objects at a complete stop.then you could wittness me put them into motion.it takes moments.less then ten minutes of your time is needed to view me put an object into motion from a stoped position! But are you a man of honer?is ten minutes of your time too much to spare?Is the inside of an empty car not as good as a room full of people with nothing blocking thier breath from interfearing with the objects movement? I want to know john becase it looks like to me that you dont want to honer your challenge.You said the first test was a freebee!I save all emails reguarding this matter. Below is your last email. Read it and tell me are you agreeable to takeing ten minutes out of your day to put this matter to rest.You could direct me to the coner store of your choice.Or are you thinking of milking me for entertainment at the next NtS meeting? Hello, Russell. Yes, we are agreeable to further testing. We would like to give you every chance to demonstrate your claim. Our current action is to pass a copy of the video around so all five of the underwriters can view it and make a decision. Even if nobody sees evidence of telekinesis we are still agreeable to a follow-up demonstration under better conditions. I will let you know when I get feedback from the other underwriters. Best regards, John Blanton BELOW IS THE EMAIL YOU SENT AFTER THE ABOVE EMAIL! John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:41:15 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Ahem. Get real. A "demo" is a demonstration of what you claim to be able to do. We have not seen one yet. You originally said you could move the object (CD) from ten feet away. Then that did not work, and we let you move closer. As far as I could tell that did not work either. Now you say you can move an object inside a car. I hope that means any car. Please let me know if you do mean any car. We will arrange another demonstration. But remember, a demonstration is an event in which you do something. You don't get to come before us and sit on your hands and claim you did a demo. I am sending you a copy of the tape. I advise you take some time to review it before your next attempt at a demo. In case I do not have your mailing address, please send it to me. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > john,you are changeing your word back and forth.Originaly you said the > first demo was a freebee!That cd was under my control and so was the > four leaf clover!You said that an offical test would be taken after > this freebee!I want a MORE scientific evaluation.Some thrid party > witeness with no interest in me or your group would be nice but ill > not dream to big.The point is i offered to use my car as a test ground > you said quote"thats ok".Inside a car im sure you would agree thier is > much less air movement then in a room where people bump into the test > object.If you choose to review that tape you should notice the four > leaf clover do exactly as i said stop and continue in the same > direction.I wanted the object at a full stop.I can be in dallas > anytime.I could wait at a coner store until the objects in my car were > at a complet stop then give you a call and invite you to observe for > yourself the objects at a complete stop.then you could wittness me put > them into motion.it takes moments.less then ten minutes of your time > is needed to view me put an object into motion from a stoped > position! But are you a man of honer?is ten minutes of your time too > much to spare?Is the inside of an empty car not asgood as a room full > of people with nothing blocking thier breath from interfearing with > the objects movement? I want to know john becase it looks like to me > that you dont want to honer your challenge.You said the first test was > a freebee!I save all emails reguarding this matter. Below is your last > email. Read it and tell me are you agreeable to takeing ten minutes > out of your day to put this matter to rest.You could direct me to the > coner store of your choice.Or are you thinking of milking me for > entertainment at the next NtS meeting? > Hello, Russell. > > Yes, we are agreeable to further testing. We would like to give you > every chance to demonstrate your claim. Our current action is to pass > > a > copy of the video around so all five of the underwriters can view it > and > make a decision. > > Even if nobody sees evidence of telekinesis we are still agreeable to > a > follow-up demonstration under better conditions. I will let you know > when I get feedback from the other underwriters. > > Best regards, > > John BlantonBELOW IS THE EMAIL YOU SENT AFTER THE ABOVE EMAIL! > John Blanton wrote: > > Russell, > > Thanks for being patient with us. > > I was out of town for a few days over the weekend, but I am > back now and > have received a copy of the video from Prasad. > > I have not reviewed the video. However, Prasad and I have > discussed > what we observed at the demo and what is on the video. Our > conclusion > is that no telekinesis was exhibited in the demo. > Specifically, > although the suspended object (a computer CD) did turn on > the end of the > string, it did not make any movements that appeared to be > under your > direction. It did not move where you wanted it to move and > when you > wanted it to move. > > My own interpretation of what I saw is that the CD moved > readily in the > slightest air currents in the room. During a quite period > before the > meeting started the CD did not move at all. After people > arrived and > started moving around, the air currents we produced caused > the CD to > rotate. > > As promised, I am sending you a copy of the video tape by US > mail. > Review the video if you wish and let us know if you have a > different > interpretation. The copy of the video is yours to keep. > > We are always eager to work further with you, within limits. > If you > think there were circumstances during the demo that hampered > the effect > you were trying to produce, we are willing to correct these > problems and > host another demonstration. In any event, a successful > demonstration is > a requirement before we will conduct a formal test. > > Best regards, > > John Blanton > The North Texas Skeptics > http://www.ntskeptics.org > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:40:09 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton 177 global drive new braunfels texas 78130 yes any car will do.i suggest my car because i doubt you would put tacks into your car roof. If your agreeable i could go up thier wait at the gas station of your choice until the objects in my car came to a full stop give you a call to come verify they are indeed at a full stop then you can verify me moveing them from outside the car.It would take less then ten minutes of your time to wittness. so are you reniging on your word or not does the second test count? if i fail ill let it rest but i wont fail i didnt fail on april 12.i heard members leave because it was too werid for them.but you want better proof well take me up on my offer or is ten minutes too much time to take out of your busy schedule? John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:16:12 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, Thanks for sending me your address. I will drop the video in the mail on Saturday when I next go to the post office. We will arrange another demonstration by you as soon as we can get it organized. If we don't have a room set up we will do a demonstration using my car as a "sealed" container. We are going to expect the following: 1. We will use a CD that I will bring. It will be suspended by a thread. 2. We will allow the CD to come to complete rest. 3. You will be required to cause it to rotate in a specified direction (e.g., clockwise or counter clockwise). 4. The CD must rotate at least one complete revolution and then stop. 5. The CD must then resume its rotation for at least one complete revolution. 6. We will video tape the entire test and will provide you a copy of the video after we have time to make a duplicate. 7. If we use a car you must stay at least five feet from the car (standing, with feet at least five feet from the car). If we use an interior environment, we will erect a screen between you and the CD. You will be able to see the CD over or through the screen. 8. We will maintain silence (no talking on our part) once the demonstration starts. You will be given twenty minutes to perform the demonstration. 9. If you do not complete the demonstration successfully (make the CD rotate as described above) within the twenty minutes, we will declare the demonstration a failure. Please let me know if these conditions are satisfactory with you. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > 177 global drive new braunfels texas 78130 yes any car will do.i > suggest my car because i doubt you would put tacks into your car > roof.If your agreeable i could go up thier wait at the gas station of > your choice until the objects in my car came to a full stop give you a > call to come verify they are indeed at a full stop then you can verify > me moveing them from outside the car.It would take less then ten > minutes of your time to wittness. so are you reniging on your word or > not does the second test count? if i fail ill let it rest but i wont > fail i didnt fail on april 12.i heard members leave because it was too > werid for them.but you want better proof well take me up on my offer > or is ten minutes too much time to take out of your busy schedule? -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 03:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton I have a few things to address before we finalize and agree but for the most part this is very acceptable accept for the following questions to be ansewered first. CheiflyOne will this test count as one of the two tests needed to win the challenge(preliminary and formal respectively) TWO the screen... this is why i suggest useing a car as the test container. windows. im not sure id like a screen but id rather work with whats worked for me in the past.car with windows rolled up(if you really want to get serious about it the car should be in a garage) THREE can i bring along 3 objects to be tacked next to your cd so that i could move them from a left to right order one after another first before going through with the protocol as already described.My idea is i move them first working tawards your object i would only be putting my objects into motion once i reached your object i follow the protocal as designed?In this manner you would be able to clearly observe me moveing one object after another until i reach yours and follow protocal. FOUR any idea on how long you will take to "get organized".what im asking is are you gonna wait until your next booking at the community center for coperation or can we test before then? FIVE average sewing string and tacks should be used. finnaly i assume you have reviewed the tape.did you observe anything remarkable about the four leaf clover? Good protocal. ill let you know of my probable agreement next time i hear from you. rusty John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:43:38 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, 1. Only one formal test is required to win the challenge. The official test will be described in the test protocol we work out between us. Before we will agree to begin working up a formal test we need to see what you can do. We have not seen that yet. The need for a demonstration is well reinforced by the events of 12 April. If we had set up a formal test, and the test had gone as your demo did that day, everything would have been for nothing. We would have all wasted our time. 2. Before you come to give us another demo, please test this yourself. Make sure you can perform as I spelled out in the previous e-mail. Use one object (a CD) and put it through the motions I described. Don't come for another demo unless you can satisfy yourself you have done this. 3. No. We will just test one object. 4. It should not take too long to get organized. For the demo there will probably just be Prasad and I. Some of the others are out of town until mid May. 5. I will use sewing thread to suspend the CD. No, we did not observe anything remarkable about the four-leaf clover. I have reviewed the video tape. If this had been a formal test you would have failed. I will contact you again later when I have had a chance to talk to Prasad. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > I have a few things to address before we finalize and agree but for > the most part this is very acceptable accept for the following > questions to be ansewered first. CheiflyOne will this test count as > one of the two tests needed to win the challenge(preliminary and > formal respectively) TWO the screen... this is why i suggest useing a > car as the test container. windows. im not sure id like a screen but > id rather work with whats worked for me in the past.car with windows > rolled up(if you really want to get serious about it the car should be > in a garage) THREE can i bring along 3 objects to be tacked next to > your cd so that i could move them from a left to right order one > after another first before going through with the protocol as already > described.My idea is i move them first working tawards your object i > would only be putting my objects into motion once i reached your > object i follow the protocal as designed?In this manner you would be > able to clearly observe me moveing one object after another until i > reach yours and follow protocal. FOUR any idea on how long you will > take to "get organized".what im asking is are you gonna wait until > your next booking at the community center for coperation or can we > test before then? FIVE average sewing string and tacks should be > used. finnaly i assume you have reviewed the tape.did you observe > anything remarkable about the four leaf clover? Good protocal. ill let > you know of my probable agreement next time i hear from > you. rusty -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton Neither claimant nor challengers shall have any right of action or damages against the other for failure to enter into the protocol or for failure to conduct any test or demonstration. this sentance in your challenge scares the hell out of me becuse it means i could demostrait for you infinite times and never once officially for your prize. 1 test only but first i must prove it...i thought the point of the offical test was to prove it not prove first then test later. 2 i have tested myself john please give me some credit as an intellectual.i KNOW i moved that clover as i said i would and did but your not convinced thats ok thats what these tests are supossed to be about correct.proveing im a fruit loop or proveing the existince of paranormal things namely me. 3 why not i dont understand why you wouldnt want me to move a row of objects in a linner order.the more i move the more crediance to my claim right?more over we,re not testing objects here were testing me and my pyschokenisis.no matter. 4any ball park estiments(days,weeks,or months) or are you gonna wait till you get with prasad to find a good time for him and you? 5 very good..... well i agree because i want to win your money and im certain of myself. ive shown many many people and like you some refused to belive most do belive but very few think anything of it....but its those hard core doubters that refuse to belive the things thier eyes see that bother me. so tell me am i wrong in that video at what should be the end when prasad focused on the clover...you didnt see it stop and continue in the same direction?i was finnaly satisfied that that would be enough so thats why i stoped trying to convince yall.if i had known your doubt remained i would of given you more self evedent evidence. umtil next time rusty John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:31:45 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello, Russell. If you have any concerns about our refusal to continue with the tests or demos, you will always have the video tape to show your results. That's all we can promise you. The video I am about to send you will be of no use to you in such an enterprise. It shows no paranormal ability on your part. No, you don't have to prove your ability before we will agree to a test. You just have to show you have something to prove. So far you have shown us nothing. If we can't at least see some demonstration of a paranormal ability we are going to lose interest and send you on your way. You said you could make the CD rotate on the end of the string. We said "show us." You didn't. Once we see the CD move as required for the demo, we will arrange a test. We have not even seen the CD move in the manner you promised to show us. We are coming to the conclusion there is nothing to test. I guess you did not test yourself. If you had you would have known in advance what you could and could not do. When you came to see us on 12 April you attempted to do something you said you had done before, but you could not do it. Can you explain why you were unable to control the CD in the demonstration? Please test yourself again. If you can't exert sufficient control over the CD don't even think about another demo. You are not going to be able to do something with people watching that you can't do when you are alone. We are not going to have a row of objects, because that was not what you claimed as part of your paranormal abilities. You said you could make a CD rotate. That's what we want to see. If you have something else to show us, then explain what it is. I am thinking about the first weekend in May. I am available for a few hours. I just need to verify Prasad will be available. You keep talking about the clover. I was not observing the clover during the demo because we agreed to test the CD. We can only go for one thing at a time. If you had wanted to test with the clover and not the CD you should have said so up front. For the future we are only going to consider the CD. And I will supply the CD and the string. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > Neither claimant nor challengers shall have any right of action or > damages against the other for failure to enter into the protocol or > for failure to conduct any test or demonstration. this sentance in > your challenge scares the hell out of me becuse it means i could > demostrait for you infinite times and never once officially for your > prize. 1 test only but first i must prove it...i thought the point of > the offical test was to prove it not prove first then test later. > 2 i have tested myself john please give me some credit as an > intellectual.i KNOW i moved that clover as i said i would and did but > your not convinced thats ok thats what these tests are supossed to be > about correct.proveing im a fruit loop or proveing the existince of > paranormal things namely me.3 why not i dont understand why you > wouldnt want me to move a row of objects in a linner order.the more i > move the more crediance to my claim right?more over we,re not testing > objects here were testing me and my pyschokenisis.no matter.4any ball > park estiments(days,weeks,or months) or are you gonna wait till you > get with prasad to find a good time for him and you?5 very > good.....well i agree because i want to win your money and im certain > of myself. ive shown many many people and like you some refused to > belive most do belive but very few think anything of it....but its > those hard core doubters that refuse to belive the things thier eyes > see that bother me. so tell me am i wrong in that video at what > should be the end when prasad focused on the clover...you didnt see it > stop and continue in the same direction?i was finnaly satisfied that > that would be enough so thats why i stoped trying to convince yall.if > i had known your doubt remained i would of given you more self evedent > evidence. umtil next > time rusty -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton john, your a man of strange logic.First why do you continue to say ive not tested myself when i have told you before i have tested myself.Its rude to refute a mans word.That cd was under my control.....when i got up from that boring speaker to go to the object i started focusing my attention on it and when i walked up to it you asked me if i was responasable.i didnt want to say yes becasue a group of people were already hovering around the test object so i had no way to be 100% sure that none of them influenced the cd with thier breath.then you seemed impatent about waiting for the object to come to a stop again so i adjusted the terms of what would constitute proof.you should of watched the entire demo instead of cutting out to talk with parsad but thats ok.you might of seen why some members had to leave the "werid arena" and now if i may copy and paste. please read over our correspondance again.i claimed low level telekinesis and in my second email i suggested useing a row of objects.i implyed the same thing in my first email to you. its on your web site. http://www.ntskeptics.org/challenge/shipp/shipp.htm see for yourself so may 10th right same place?you bring the string,cd,and car and ill bring the proof.so are you really willing to put a tack into the roof of your car? and dont forget the object MUST be at a stand still before i begin. rusty John Blanton wrote: Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:55:39 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Hello, Russell. This morning I sent you a copy of the demonstration video by US mail. You should receive it early next week. Please let me know if you don't receive it by Wednesday. My reason for asking you to test yourself again is that in your demonstration you failed to move the CD. It would seem that if you had been successful in your previous tests you should have been successful on 12 April. Prasad and I have reviewed the video again. Additionally we had a third party, who is not a member of the NTS, review the tape. We all agree the tape does not show the CD moving as required. Take a look at the video when you receive it and let us know what you think. Once again, your claim is to be able to move an object (in this case a CD) using only telekinesis. We are only talking about one object. That is what we will go with. Also, not to worry. I do not need to put tacks in the roof of my car if we use a car. We also have the option of doing this indoors, as well. Please be prepared for either test. I am thinking about 3 May (next Saturday). Please let me know if this is all right with you. Saturday, 10 May, is all right with us, as well. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > john,your a man of strange logic.First why do you continue to say ive > not tested myself when i have told you before i have tested myself.Its > rude to refute a mans word.That cd was under my control.....when i got > up from that boring speaker to go to the object i started focusing my > attention on it and when i walked up to it you asked me if i was > responasable.i didnt want to say yes becasue a group of people were > already hovering around the test object so i had no way to be 100% > sure that none of them influenced the cd with thier breath.then you > seemed impatent about waiting for the object to come to a stop again > so i adjusted the terms of what would constitute proof.you should of > watched the entire demo instead of cutting out to talk with parsad but > thats ok.you might of seen why some members had to leave the "werid > arena" and now if i may copy and paste. row of objects, because that was not what you > claimed as part of your paranormal abilities. You said you could make > a > CD rotate. That's what we want to see. If you have something else to > show us, then explain what it is> please read over our correspondance > again.i claimed low level telekinesis and in my second email i > suggested useing a row of objects.i implyed the same thing in my first > email to you. its on your web site. > http://www.ntskeptics.org/challenge/shipp/shipp.htmsee for yourself so > may 10th right same place?you bring the string,cd,and car and ill > bring the proof.so are you really willing to put a tack into the roof > of your car? and dont forget the object MUST be at a stand still > before i begin. rusty John Blanton wrote: > > Hello, Russell. > > If you have any concerns about our refusal to continue with > the tests or > demos, you will always have the video tape to show your > results. That's > all we can promise you. The video I am about to send you > will be of no > use to you in such an enterprise. It shows no paranormal > ability on > your part. > > No, you don't have to prove your ability before we will > agree to a > test. You just have to show you have something to prove. So > far you > have shown us nothing. If we can't at least see some > demonstration of a > paranormal ability we are going to lose interest and send > you on your > way. You said you could make the CD rotate on the end of the > string. > We said "show us." You didn't. Once we see the CD move as > required for > the demo, we will arrange a test. We have not even seen the > CD move in > the manner you promised to show us. We are coming to the > conclusion > there is nothing to test. > > I guess you did not test yourself. If you had you would have > known in > advance what you could and could not do. When you came to > see us on 12 > April you attempted to do something you said you had done > before, but > you could not do it. Can you explain why you were unable to > control the > CD in the demonstration? Please test yourself again. If you > can't > exert sufficient control over the CD don't even think about > another > demo. You are not going to be able to do something with > people watching > that you can't do when you are alone. > > We are not going to have a row of objects, because that was > not what you > claimed as part of your paranormal abilities. You said you > could make a > CD rotate. That's what we want to see. If you have something > else to > show us, then explain what it is. > > I am thinking about the first weekend in May. I am available > for a few > hours. I just need to verify Prasad will be available. > > You keep talking about the clover. I was not observing the > clover > during the demo because we agreed to test the CD. We can > only go for > one thing at a time. If you had wanted to test with the > clover and not > the CD you should have said so up front. For the future we > are only > going to consider the CD. And I will supply the CD and the > string. > > > Best regards, > > John Blanton > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton hey john,did you get my last email asking for a time and place on saturday? if not please pass it on to me in your next reply please. im looking foward to impressing you so have that car ready.if your going to use your rear view mirror please reconsider and use tape insted of tacks as a roof mount is prefered. well until next time, rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:07:13 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Prasad and I agreed that Saturday would be a good day. It will be Saturday morning if that's OK with you. I am looking for a good place to do it. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > > hey john,did you get my last email asking for a time and place on > saturday? if not please pass it on to me in your next reply please. im > looking foward to impressing you so have that car ready.if your going > to use your rear view mirror please reconsider and use tape insted of > tacks as a roof mount is prefered. well until next time,rusty > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: Review of video of your demo Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton Saturday will be fine.I got the tape yesterday(thank you ). When you have that place and time ill be here. until then. rusty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Subject: Re: Venue for test Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: John Blanton john,you could eliminate the heat formed air currents by parking inside a garage.Is thier a garge near your alcatel building?If thier is a fee involved ill remburse you for parking in a garage.like a stated at the very being the hardest part is waiting for a complete stop.what kind of clear or near clear plastic container did you have in mind? i would like to be tested around three pm. im leaning tawards the car still but im curious as too what sort of container you have in mind.Is it ok if i bring the large clear plastic container? John Blanton wrote: Subject: another question i would like answered Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: russell shipp To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org john you said you tested the cd in the car waiting for it to stop.how long did you wait?sometimes it takes 45 minutes for an object in a car to come to a stop sometimes longer.i would like to know how long you waited please. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Subject: Re: Venue for test Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:12:24 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, When I talked to Prasad, he indicated the afternoon would be a problem with him. If Prasad is not available in the afternoon we will have to wait for another weekend. I had in mind a large plastic storage container. You can see through it, and it eliminates air currents. We would do the test inside. My understanding is you can control the CD with your mind. You should be able to make it stop. Please let me know if that is a problem. If you can't make it stop you need to tell us now. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > john,you could eliminate the heat formed air currents by parking > inside a garage.Is thier a garge near your alcatel building?If thier > is a fee involved ill remburse you for parking in a garage.like a > stated at the very being the hardest part is waiting for a complete > stop.what kind of clear or near clear plastic container did you have > in mind? i would like to be tested around three pm.im leaning tawards > the car still but im curious as too what sort of container you have in > mind.Is it ok if i bring the large clear plastic container? -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Re: another question i would like answered Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:15:56 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, I waited over eight hours. I also tested the CD with the car parked in the garage over night. It did not stay still all night but tended to rotate (very slowly). Regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > john you said you tested the cd in the car waiting for it to stop.how > long did you wait?sometimes it takes 45 minutes for an object in a car > to come to a stop sometimes longer.i would like to know how long you > waited please. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The North Texas Skeptics http://www.ntskeptics.org Subject: Proposed demonstration of telekinesis Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:52:20 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, I spoke to Prasad. He says 11 a.m. is OK. Six p.m. is not good for me, because I have another appointment in the evening Saturday. Please let me know if you need further instructions to our location. We are in building PB-7 at 3400 Plano Parkway in Plano. Building PB-7 is to the south of building PB-6, which fronts directly on Plano Parkway. The building numbers are on the sides of the buildings in large letters. You should go to the street just east of PB-6 and PB-7 and come to the entrance at the north east corner of PB-7. 3400 Plano Parkway is one or two blocks east of Coit Road and on the south side of Plano Parkway. Most likely, Prasad and I will be inside working. You can come to the guard station and phone me or call the number below directly if you have a cell phone. I notice that thunderstorms are forecast for Saturday. If that will affect your ability to perform the demo, please let me know. Also, let me know if you will be unable to control the CD even if there are small air currents causing it to rotate. I will expect you to be able to make the CD stop, even in the presence of these small air currents. Best regards, John Blanton russell shipp wrote: > > john, prasad afternoon would be bad.so how about 11am tomorrow or 6 > pm?if these times are not satisfactory please spesifiy a good time. > > rusty -- Alcatel R&I 3400 Plano Parkway Plano, Texas 75075 Phone: 972-477-2335 Subject: [Fwd: Venue for test] Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:40:39 -0500 From: John Blanton To: skeptic@ntskeptics.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Venue for test Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 07:33:57 -0500 From: John Blanton To: russell shipp Russell, This week I ran a test of the CD with my car. The one problem I found is that the CD never does stay absolutely still. I think this is because of air currents that form inside the car. If this is no problem for you, then we will proceed on Saturday. You will be required to control the CD inside the car. You will need to cause it to stop and go despite the air currents inside the car. If this is a problem, then I will propose we use a large, clear (or nearly clear) plastic container. I will suspend the CD inside the container. My plan is to conduct the demo at the place where Prasad and I work. This is at Alcatel, building PB-7 in Plano. The address is 3400 Plano Parkway in Plano. Prasad and I can be there just about anytime on Saturday, so let us know when you plan to arrive. Best regards, John Blanton